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 Post subject: Vampiri i duhovi
PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 12:43 am 
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Već sam napisala da me to zanima i da o tome volim čitati, pa ako bi netko bio voljan...


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Duhovi? Nema problema, priče o duhovima spadaju u prave klasike i znaju biti jezive, dogovoreno.

Vampiri? Još ne. Danas ih ima na bacanje i pomalo su postali klišej.

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vampiri nisu horror vec sprdačina i zezancija, a duhovi su pravi party a jezivi ko jack nicholson (mislim da sam to dobro napisao?) :D

inače koliko znam vampiri se po nekoj nama bliskoj mitologiji dijele na sucube(incube) i baš tzv vulgaris vampiri. Oboje žive na uzimanje ljudske esencije života, samo što jedni rade to tako da piju krv žrtvama a drugi perko nekog oblika sexa?

eto toliko od mene sa ove strane mitologije (koliko je to točno i istinito je upitno, ali nema veze, zabavno je pričati svejedno :D )


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Samo malo, jel nisu Incubusi oni koji ti kontroliraju snove i hrane se tvojim strahom? Zapravo je riječ o mnogim različitim bićima koja ti uzimaju životnu energiju u bilo kojem njenom obliku.

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Jedna od najcescih kategorija demonskih stvorenja sastoji se od demonskih ljubavnika.Vjekovima gledani kao inkubus i sukubus-muski i zenski uglavnom-bacaju cini na ljudska bica,cesto dok se nalazeu neprirodno dubokom snu dok leze pored njih. Ovaj fenomen je stvaran idanas je veoma ziv. Stvaran je u smislu da se iskustva zrtava sa zlim muskim/zenskim duhovima slazu cak u najsitnijim detaljima. Vecina njih ne zna nista o ovom fenomenu za koji ne znaju ni kako se zove.Ako je to bila masta,tada bi se ocekivali opisi koji se razlikuju od slucaja do slucaja.


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jest da su vampiri postali klišej al nisu oni krivi što se danas svako malo neko sjeti napisati pričicu gdje totalno izobliči svaku istinu o njima nadodajući malo svojih maštarija i perverznih ideja :D

odg. scorpiusu -->nisam znala da vampira ima na bacanje!! aj mi nabaviš jednog da se mogu igrati s njim....tražim zanimljivog kućnog ljubimca... :wink:


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Ma nema problema, odmah nakon što mi ti ispričaš "pravu istinu" o vampirima :pop:

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a kad sam ja to točno rekla da znam tzv "istinu" o vampirima?! :?


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Pa tehnički nisi, ali si rekla kako ju drugi često izvrću, pa sam pretpostavio da ju možda znaš :evilone:

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e kriva ti je predpostavka :blje:


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Ma, vjerovatno samo moje preverzne ideje :twisted:

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pa i to što kažeš....i sram te bilo zbog toga :wink:


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Amadea wrote:
jest da su vampiri postali klišej al nisu oni krivi što se danas svako malo neko sjeti napisati pričicu gdje totalno izobliči svaku istinu o njima nadodajući malo svojih maštarija i perverznih ideja :D


A glupog li odgovora...


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Ma adje Karo nemoj se sada duriti što je Amadea shvatila tvoje iskrivljene perverzije već pri prvom postanju :pray:

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hm...mislim da je više vezano uz to što je mene povukla za jezik, samo što toga nije svjesna...no nakon onakog postanja stvarno nemam potrebe za samodokazivanjem...moji minioni su to odradili za mene


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Arhon wrote:
hm...mislim da je više vezano uz to što je mene povukla za jezik, samo što toga nije svjesna...no nakon onakog postanja stvarno nemam potrebe za samodokazivanjem...moji minioni su to odradili za mene


zašto misliš da sam tebe ili ikog drugog imala namjeru povući za jezik sa onim što sam napisala? :?


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nije bitno, nije vezano direktno uz tebe...shvatit ćeš dovoljno brzo :twisted:


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 Post subject: Re: Vampiri i duhovi
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Kira wrote:
Već sam napisala da me to zanima i da o tome volim čitati, pa ako bi netko bio voljan...



Hej Kira, napisala si da te zanimaju duhovi i vampiri...pa ako si voljna čitati, pročitaj od J. Sheridan Le Fanu kratku priču koja se zove Karmila...meni je priča predobra, govori o vampirici a vrijeme zbivanja je tamo negdje srednji vijek, spominju se dvorci, opisi su preterani i zato sam opsjednuta tom pričom...ovako, sada znam da će me većina ljudi popljuvati ali pokušaj čitati V. Faust, ona je inače hrvatska književnica, rodom iz Požege, koja je opsjednuta vampirima, pročitaj: u anđeoskom liku zvjeri, i nastavak, neizgovorenu priču. Knjige su predobre, imaš savršene opise vampira, rituala ugriza, brutalnosti ima čak i incesta i mislim da je vrijedi pročitati. Pročitaj i knjigu smrtno uplašen, preterana knjiga o vukodlaku koji ubija, također ima puno brutalnosti, krvi, ubijanja...i ja sam uživala čitajući je... trenutno čitam povijesničarku od Elizabeth Kostove i jako mi se sviđa...ima tako puno opisa starih knjižnica i riječ je o ljudima koji obožavaju knjige... nisam se još dokopala knjiga Ane Rice ali kažu da su jako dobre, također su o vampirima... a ako kojim slučajem voliš zmajeve, vilenjake, definitivno pročitaj bajku Eragon, dečko je napisao tu bajku sa 19 godina i knjiga je jako zanimljiva...


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Popljuvati je mala riječ...
Ako smijem rekao bih da je nepoznavanje dobre literature mala stvar u usporedbi koju si ti knjigu ovdje navela, ja sam mislio da se rasprava oko dobrih knjiga odnosi na dobre knjige a ne Viktoriju Faust. Lagano je od sexa i inih gluposti napisati nešto što privlači mlade no da je to literarno dijelo vrijedno pogleda. NE!

Pročitaj original Draculu i budi sretna. Bram Stocer je to dobro napisao, a hrvatski izrodi neće ništa napraviti nego sranje.

Zašto vampiri automatski znače sve što si ti navela, jel uopće oni mogu zauzeti u današnjem vremenu neku konkretnu ulogu vrijednu svoje vrijednosti. Oni su stari iskusni predatori i da netko napiše takvu knjigu a ne gluposti koje se danas pišu, možda bih ju i pogledao.

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Smatram da je definitivno vrijedno pogleda, i ne samo pogleda već i čitanja i to više puta... Jesi li ti pročitao koju njenu knjigu???
Original draculu imam namjeru pročitati samo da dođem do nje. I Stocer se piše sa K a ne sa C. (Stoker)
Ovo sve što sam navela posljedica je moje morbidnosti i pomalo izopačenosti, a ako malo bolje sagledaš stvari vampiri jesu brutalni, imaju zlu notu, preokleto su besmrtni a opet tako savršeno lijepi i da negdje sretnem nekog vampira u potpunosti bih mu se predala. Ne moraju oni značiti samo krv, incest i smrt. Znače oni i ljepotu, moć, pamet, ljubav i naravno vječnost...


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AngelOfDeath wrote:
Smatram da je definitivno vrijedno pogleda, i ne samo pogleda već i čitanja i to više puta... Jesi li ti pročitao koju njenu knjigu???
Original draculu imam namjeru pročitati samo da dođem do nje. I Stocer se piše sa K a ne sa C. (Stoker)
Ovo sve što sam navela posljedica je moje morbidnosti i pomalo izopačenosti, a ako malo bolje sagledaš stvari vampiri jesu brutalni, imaju zlu notu, preokleto su besmrtni a opet tako savršeno lijepi i da negdje sretnem nekog vampira u potpunosti bih mu se predala. Ne moraju oni značiti samo krv, incest i smrt. Znače oni i ljepotu, moć, pamet, ljubav i naravno vječnost...


Prva stvar ja nikada ne komentiram stvari u koje nisam upućen makar malo, a da jesam pročitao sam tu glupu knjigu U zagrljaju zvijeri, i toliko sranja na jednom mjestu u životu nisam vidio...
Druga stvar, Stocer mi je ispalo, sorry,...

Tvoje morbidnosti, daj molim te, morbidnost ti je takvo mjerilo da se moraš odmah pokopati ako nastaviš ovako,... Onako to ti je najmorbidnija stvar koju bi mogla napraviti ako ovako nastaviš...
Brutalni, pa zavisi...
Zla nota, pobogu piju krv i ubijaju da bi preživjeli, čisti darwinizam ne zla nota...
Besmrtni, to ti misliš...
Savršeno lijepi, e tu se da raspravljati,...
Ti bi se njemu predala, o kako slatko, daj curo di ti je pamet, onako lakše reci da bi se bacila u naručje koprivama, možda ti dođe nešto oštro i opametiš se...

I zadnje, vampiri apsolutno ne znače ništa drugo nego samo jedan oblik prirodne dominacije predatora nad svojim preyem. Poprilično jednostavno, a tebe jedan vampir ne gleda nikako drukčije nego kao malu kravicu...A ti se njemu slobodno predaj, baš me zanima kako će tvoja morbidnost reagirati na ideju da si mrtva...

BTW. Anne Rice i Viktorija Faust imaju nešto zajedničko pokrale su sve ideje i zamisli white wolfa i uramile, toliko mi se gade i neinventivnje su do bola.

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Ne znaš ti ništa o mojoj morbidnosti. samo htjedoh reći da mi je knjiga preterana jer ima krvi i ubojstava, i ne uživaju svi ljudi u smrti i raspadanju tijela(ako nisi znao)! :twisted:
I, da, predala bih mu se istog trena kada bih ga našla i ne bi me morao učiniti besmrtnom neka me ubije ionako mi je to želja, smrt od strane vampira bila bi tako savršena...
I već si napisao da su vampiri predatori i malo ti je glupo da ih gledaš na samo taj način...ne kažem da to nisu ali daj razmisli šta pričaš...i ne vjerujem da bi vampir gledao na nekoga kao na kravicu, možda da u slučaju kada je jako gladan ali vampiri su poznati po tome kako vole da zavode svoje žrtve i vampiri su skloni da se vežu izuzetno strastveno i dramatično za svoju žrtvu a to onda liči na ljubavnu strast a u banalnijim slučajevima, vampir smlati žrtvu upotrijebom grube sile, naždere se i odlazi. Ne bi mi smetalo da ovo zadnje napravi meni ali volela bih kada bi i tebe tako ubio! :D


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AngelOfDeath wrote:
Ne znaš ti ništa o mojoj morbidnosti. samo htjedoh reći da mi je knjiga preterana jer ima krvi i ubojstava, i ne uživaju svi ljudi u smrti i raspadanju tijela(ako nisi znao)! :twisted:
I, da, predala bih mu se istog trena kada bih ga našla i ne bi me morao učiniti besmrtnom neka me ubije ionako mi je to želja, smrt od strane vampira bila bi tako savršena...
I već si napisao da su vampiri predatori i malo ti je glupo da ih gledaš na samo taj način...ne kažem da to nisu ali daj razmisli šta pričaš...i ne vjerujem da bi vampir gledao na nekoga kao na kravicu, možda da u slučaju kada je jako gladan ali vampiri su poznati po tome kako vole da zavode svoje žrtve i vampiri su skloni da se vežu izuzetno strastveno i dramatično za svoju žrtvu a to onda liči na ljubavnu strast a u banalnijim slučajevima, vampir smlati žrtvu upotrijebom grube sile, naždere se i odlazi. Ne bi mi smetalo da ovo zadnje napravi meni ali volela bih kada bi i tebe tako ubio! :D


Nedo bog da znam nešto o tvojoj tzv. morbidnosti...
E???Uživanje u smrti, u raspadanju tijela,...Prepukla si...

Predavati se vampiru, želja smrt. Odakle si ti ispala? Ko iz neke psihodelične priče gdje te je čuvao mali čiko koji ti je govorio da to što radi je baš dobra stvar.
EEEj, ja bih ti sada mogao svašta reći o mojoj filozofiji,a bome i hoću...

Ti i tvoja smrt, ako je već tako fina, uzmi si fino trave, pomišaj sa detergentom i dodaj malo sode,...
Biti će ti kao da te vamkpir ugrizo, isiso ti svu krv i onda bacio...


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The Lasombra are the traditional leaders of the Sabbat, a position they have held since the leaders of the Brujah betrayed the Anarchs. Most of the modern custom and organization of the Sabbat is the direct result of Lasombra policies. The Lasombra are celebrated in the Sabbat as the clan, which completely purged itself of all its non-Sabbat elders, including the destruction of its own antediluvian founder.

Ages before the origin of the Sabbat, the Lasombra flourished along the Mediterranean seaboard. Even then they were masters of intrigue, with a spy network the equal of any found among Kindred or kine. After the Anarch revolt and the purge of the Elders, the Lasombra fled north under pressure from the Camarilla, and established a new base of operations in Scandinavia. It was there that the Sabbat in its modern incarnation was forged. As the Camarilla continued to press and harass the Sabbat in Europe, the Lasombra initiated a policy of aggressive migration to the Americas.

The Lasombra are both warriors and plotters. Unlike the Ventrue, they have no pretensions of gentility - they are openly competitive and combative, both with outsiders and among themselves. They will fight ruthlessly among themselves for positions of dominance, but all inter-clan rivalries will be forgotten in a moment if there’s any serious threat that the coveted position might fall to a non-Lasombra, or if the rivalry begins to threaten the security of the Sabbat. Lasombra are equally prepared to enforce their will through force, sabotage, or manipulations - Lasombra are not concerned with methods, only results.

The Lasombra view their dominant position in the Sabbat as merely a reflection of the natural order. The clan represents itself, not as the rulers of the freedom-loving Sabbat, but as selfless servants of the sect, taking on the responsibilities of leadership in order to preserve the perfect freedom of the other clans from such mundane concerns. The truth, of course, is that the other clans often have perfect freedom in all those pursuits, which don’t interfere with the plans or policies of the Lasombra. The Lasombra do not, however, casually or habitually impinge on the Sabbat ideal of freedom - partially because the clan is not completely devoid of idealism, but mostly because the success of the Lasombra is due, in large measure, to always knowing exactly how far the other clans can be pushed.

Another reason for Lasombra dominance is that among all the clans of the Sabbat they are the most adept and willing at the manipulation of kine. It is the Lasombra, above all others, who insure the sect’s wealth and security among the mortals. This affinity may be a fortuitous side effect of the Lasombra disadvantage, which has given the clan reason for centuries to find and control human thralls.

There are those who say that the Lasombra’s account of the purge of its elders is inflated - that non-Sabbat Lasombra methuselahs still survive in hiding among the Inconnu or the old-country Tzimisce. The Lasombra hotly decry such suggestions. There are known to be a scattered few non-Sabbat Lasombra living in hiding, mostly in Southern Europe and North Africa. This remnant is sometimes referred to (not without irony) as the Lasombra antitribu. Although the Sabbat will take steps to eliminate any such fugitive who comes to light, they represent no real threat to the Lasombra or the Sabbat, and there is no concerted effort to hunt them to extinction. A handful of Lasombra antitribu has even joined the Camarilla.



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Appearance

Older Lasombra are predominantly of Italian and Spanish descent, but they have no racial prejudice, and younger clan members can be of any race. They tend to have handsome, imposing features (often achieved with the help of some cooperative Tzimisce). As a rule, Lasombra dress stylishly, expensively and somewhat ostentatiously. Jewelry is often worn.



Haven

Younger Lasombra are actively encouraged to line in the communal haven of the pack, the better to represent the interests of the clan and promote their own rise to power. Lasombra elders will often have private havens (usually comfortable homes or apartments) but still spend a good deal of time in the communal haven of their pack

Lasombra, as a group, are known for their passionate love of fast and expensive automobiles.



Background

Lasombra seek those who are intelligent and ruthless, with a proven ability to lead, organize and manipulate others. Gifted young executives and politicians are prime material for the Lasombra. Sometimes a promising gang leader or Mafioso will be embraced, if they demonstrate original thinking and seem to have a willingness to better themselves through education.



Character Creation

Lasombra value IQ above all other factors. They tend to have Charisma and high social skills. They are well educated and often master scientific and professional skills. They do not emphasize physical combat skills, but most Lasombra will have a few. They often study Thief/Spy skills to maximize their powers of Obtenebration (or just because the like to spy on others). The ideal Lasombra is a generalist, ready to meet any challenge fate throws at him, in business, combat, politics or the supernatural.



Clan Disciplines

Dominate, Obtenebration, Potence



Weaknesses

All Lasombra have the Casts No Reflection disadvantage. This is believed to be a side effect of the Obtenebration Discipline, but it affects even Lasombra who have not mastered any powers of Obtenebration.



Organization

The Lasombra are not close to one another, but in clan affairs, as with everything else, they are organized. Four times a year each Sabbat archdiocese will have a convocation of its Lasombra, called a conventicle. At these gatherings news is exchanged, alliances are made and clan policy (which, to the Lasombra, is the same thing as sect policy) is set. Each conventicle culminates with a Vaulderie of all Lasombra present - this Vaulderie is both a ritual of solidarity and a test of loyalty and will, as the Lasombra will actively seek to week out traitors and enemies through the bond of the Vinculum.



Gaining Clan Prestige

The path to clan prestige among the Lasombra is clear-cut. To gain prestige you must rise in power within the Sabbat, or materially increase your power or influence of the Sabbat. Lasombra who win their positions of authority from non-clan members are particularly favored.



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"To say that we lead the Sabbat is only to say that we are the servants of the Sabbat. If we seek to strengthen our position, it is only because in doing so, we also strengthen the Sabbat."

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ja sam vampir, dođite i predajte mi se djeco, možda vas i naučim pokoju stvar :twisted:


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još nisi napravio lika.

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